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		<title>Comment on Warm Earth by blogengeezer</title>
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		<description>Floods,
 hurricanes, draught and civil unrest.  They&#039;re all
 your fault.  Repent now.  Stop the production of
 CO2 immediately.  It&#039;s polluting our planet. 
 (By the way, breathing creates CO2 and thus is
 &quot;pollution.&quot;) 

 Really?  We humans caused all those
 problems?   Those who believe in
 AGW often chide the non-believers as &quot;deniers&quot; (as
 if they denied the holocaust or claimed the world were flat)
 and attribute their opponents&#039; denial to an inability to
 understand the scientific &quot;facts.&quot; 

 This ad hominem attack overlooks the really bad &quot;science&quot; and
 almost hysterical illogic that is sometimes used to
 support the theory of AGW. 

 What follows is another example.  Apparently
 anything in support of AGW does not necessarily need to meet
 the test of rationality for many of
 its supporters.    So,
 which camp can really claim the logical high
 ground?   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424567009790525.html#mod=djemEditorialPage
   
JUNE 6, 2009 &#039;Worse Than Fiction&#039; 
   Global warming alarmists are fond of
 invoking the authority of experts against the skepticism of
 supposedly amateur detractors -- a.k.a. &quot;deniers.&quot;

 So when one of those experts says that a recent report on
 the effects of climate change is &quot;worse than fiction,
 it is a lie,&quot; the alarmists should, well, be
 alarmed. 

The latest contretemps pits former U.N.
 Secretary General Kofi Annan, now president of
 the Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum, against Roger

 Pielke, Jr., an expert in disaster trends at the University
 of Colorado. 

Mr. Annan&#039;s outfit issued a lengthy report
 late last month warning that climate change-induced
 disasters, such as droughts and floods, kill 315,000 each
 year and cost $125 billion, numbers it says will rise to
 500,000 dead and $340 billion by 2030. 

Adding to the gloom,
 Mr. Annan predicts &quot;mass starvation, mass migration,
 and mass sickness&quot; unless countries agree to &quot;the
most ambitious international agreement ever negotiated&quot;
at a meeting this year in Copenhagen. Even on its
 own terms, the numbers here are a lot less scary when put
 into context. 

Malaria kills an estimated one million people
 a year, while AIDS claims an estimated two million. As for
 the economic costs, $125 billion is slightly less than the
 GDP of New Zealand. Question: Are targeted campaigns using
 proven methods to spare the world three million AIDS and
 malaria deaths a year a better use of scarce resources than
 a multitrillion-dollar attempt to re-engineer the global
 economy and save, at most, a tenth that number? 

We&#039;d say yes. But the Annan report deserves even closer
 scrutiny as an example of the sleight of hand that so often
 goes with the politics of global warming. Unlike starvation,
 climate change does not usually kill anyone directly.
 Instead, the study&#039;s authors assume a four-step chain of
 causation, beginning with increased emissions, moving to
 climate-change effects, thence to physical changes like
 melting glaciers and desertification, and finally arriving
 at human effects like malnutrition and &quot;risk of
 instability and armed conflicts.&quot;

 This is a heroic set of assumptions, even if you agree that emissions
 are causing adverse changes in climate. Take the supposedly
 heightened risk of conflict: The authors suggest that
 &quot;inter-clan fighting in Somalia&quot; is a product of
 climate change. A likelier explanation is the collapse of a
 functioning Somali government and the rise of jihadists in
 the region. 

Enter Mr. Pielke, who, we hasten to
 add, does not speak for us (nor we for him). But given the
 headlines the Annan report has garnered, his views deserve
 amplification. Writing in the Prometheus science policy
 blog, Mr. Pielke calls the report a &quot;methodological
 embarrassment&quot; and a &quot;poster child for how to lie
 with statistics&quot; that &quot;does a disservice&quot; to
 those who take climate change issues seriously.

 Mr. Pielke&#039;s critique begins by citing a recent
 peer-reviewed paper by three German researchers that
 &quot;it is generally difficult to obtain valid quantitative
 findings about the role of socioeconomics and climate change
 in loss increases.&quot; Reasons for this, the researchers
 explain, include &quot;the stochastic [random] nature of
 weather extremes, a shortage of quality data, and the role
 of various other potential factors that act in parallel and
 interact.&quot; 

The report does admit to a &quot;significant margin of error,&quot; but this hardly
 excuses the sloppiness of its methodology. &quot;To get
 around the fact that there has been no attribution of the
 relationship of GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions and
 disasters,&quot; 

Mr. Pielke notes, the Annan &quot;report engages in a very strange comparison of earthquake and
 weather disasters in 1980 and 2005.

 The first question that
 comes to mind is, why? They are comparing phenomena with
 many &#039;moving parts&#039; over a short time frame, and
 attributing 100% of the resulting difference to human-caused
 climate change. This boggles the mind.&quot; 

It gets worse. The Annan report cites Hurricane Katrina as a
 case study in the economic consequences of climate change.

 Yet there&#039;s not even remotely conclusive evidence that
 temperature increases have any effect on the intensity or
 frequency of hurricanes. The authors also claim that global
 warming is aggravating the El Niño effect, which has
 &quot;ruined livelihoods, led to lost lives and impaired
 national economies.&quot; 

Yet new research &quot;questions the notion
that El Niños have been getting stronger because
 of global warming,&quot; according to Ben Giese of Texas
 A&amp;M. 

We could go on, except we&#039;re worried
 about the blood pressure of readers who are climate-change
 true believers. Our only question is, if the case for global
 warming is so open and shut, why the need for a report as
 disingenuous as Mr. Kofi Annan&#039;s?

added note:

One interesting reason may be that the worlds finances

revolve around investments. In past years those investments 

have been highly profitable.The investments that were once 

&#039;common sense&#039;, now, due to governmental regulations and taxation, 
no longer bring the large returns.

The forced mandates proclaimed by many in Power, to &#039;Save the World&#039; are

now the investors dream. The returns are astronomical for those
using this system to their advantage....

The consumers and taxpayers, will not be nearly as fortunate..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floods,<br />
 hurricanes, draught and civil unrest.  They&#8217;re all<br />
 your fault.  Repent now.  Stop the production of<br />
 CO2 immediately.  It&#8217;s polluting our planet.<br />
 (By the way, breathing creates CO2 and thus is<br />
 &#8220;pollution.&#8221;) </p>
<p> Really?  We humans caused all those<br />
 problems?   Those who believe in<br />
 AGW often chide the non-believers as &#8220;deniers&#8221; (as<br />
 if they denied the holocaust or claimed the world were flat)<br />
 and attribute their opponents&#8217; denial to an inability to<br />
 understand the scientific &#8220;facts.&#8221; </p>
<p> This ad hominem attack overlooks the really bad &#8220;science&#8221; and<br />
 almost hysterical illogic that is sometimes used to<br />
 support the theory of AGW. </p>
<p> What follows is another example.  Apparently<br />
 anything in support of AGW does not necessarily need to meet<br />
 the test of rationality for many of<br />
 its supporters.    So,<br />
 which camp can really claim the logical high<br />
 ground?   <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424567009790525.html#mod=djemEditorialPage" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424567009790525.html#mod=djemEditorialPage</a></p>
<p>JUNE 6, 2009 &#8216;Worse Than Fiction&#8217;<br />
   Global warming alarmists are fond of<br />
 invoking the authority of experts against the skepticism of<br />
 supposedly amateur detractors &#8212; a.k.a. &#8220;deniers.&#8221;</p>
<p> So when one of those experts says that a recent report on<br />
 the effects of climate change is &#8220;worse than fiction,<br />
 it is a lie,&#8221; the alarmists should, well, be<br />
 alarmed. </p>
<p>The latest contretemps pits former U.N.<br />
 Secretary General Kofi Annan, now president of<br />
 the Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum, against Roger</p>
<p> Pielke, Jr., an expert in disaster trends at the University<br />
 of Colorado. </p>
<p>Mr. Annan&#8217;s outfit issued a lengthy report<br />
 late last month warning that climate change-induced<br />
 disasters, such as droughts and floods, kill 315,000 each<br />
 year and cost $125 billion, numbers it says will rise to<br />
 500,000 dead and $340 billion by 2030. </p>
<p>Adding to the gloom,<br />
 Mr. Annan predicts &#8220;mass starvation, mass migration,<br />
 and mass sickness&#8221; unless countries agree to &#8220;the<br />
most ambitious international agreement ever negotiated&#8221;<br />
at a meeting this year in Copenhagen. Even on its<br />
 own terms, the numbers here are a lot less scary when put<br />
 into context. </p>
<p>Malaria kills an estimated one million people<br />
 a year, while AIDS claims an estimated two million. As for<br />
 the economic costs, $125 billion is slightly less than the<br />
 GDP of New Zealand. Question: Are targeted campaigns using<br />
 proven methods to spare the world three million AIDS and<br />
 malaria deaths a year a better use of scarce resources than<br />
 a multitrillion-dollar attempt to re-engineer the global<br />
 economy and save, at most, a tenth that number? </p>
<p>We&#8217;d say yes. But the Annan report deserves even closer<br />
 scrutiny as an example of the sleight of hand that so often<br />
 goes with the politics of global warming. Unlike starvation,<br />
 climate change does not usually kill anyone directly.<br />
 Instead, the study&#8217;s authors assume a four-step chain of<br />
 causation, beginning with increased emissions, moving to<br />
 climate-change effects, thence to physical changes like<br />
 melting glaciers and desertification, and finally arriving<br />
 at human effects like malnutrition and &#8220;risk of<br />
 instability and armed conflicts.&#8221;</p>
<p> This is a heroic set of assumptions, even if you agree that emissions<br />
 are causing adverse changes in climate. Take the supposedly<br />
 heightened risk of conflict: The authors suggest that<br />
 &#8220;inter-clan fighting in Somalia&#8221; is a product of<br />
 climate change. A likelier explanation is the collapse of a<br />
 functioning Somali government and the rise of jihadists in<br />
 the region. </p>
<p>Enter Mr. Pielke, who, we hasten to<br />
 add, does not speak for us (nor we for him). But given the<br />
 headlines the Annan report has garnered, his views deserve<br />
 amplification. Writing in the Prometheus science policy<br />
 blog, Mr. Pielke calls the report a &#8220;methodological<br />
 embarrassment&#8221; and a &#8220;poster child for how to lie<br />
 with statistics&#8221; that &#8220;does a disservice&#8221; to<br />
 those who take climate change issues seriously.</p>
<p> Mr. Pielke&#8217;s critique begins by citing a recent<br />
 peer-reviewed paper by three German researchers that<br />
 &#8220;it is generally difficult to obtain valid quantitative<br />
 findings about the role of socioeconomics and climate change<br />
 in loss increases.&#8221; Reasons for this, the researchers<br />
 explain, include &#8220;the stochastic [random] nature of<br />
 weather extremes, a shortage of quality data, and the role<br />
 of various other potential factors that act in parallel and<br />
 interact.&#8221; </p>
<p>The report does admit to a &#8220;significant margin of error,&#8221; but this hardly<br />
 excuses the sloppiness of its methodology. &#8220;To get<br />
 around the fact that there has been no attribution of the<br />
 relationship of GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions and<br />
 disasters,&#8221; </p>
<p>Mr. Pielke notes, the Annan &#8220;report engages in a very strange comparison of earthquake and<br />
 weather disasters in 1980 and 2005.</p>
<p> The first question that<br />
 comes to mind is, why? They are comparing phenomena with<br />
 many &#8216;moving parts&#8217; over a short time frame, and<br />
 attributing 100% of the resulting difference to human-caused<br />
 climate change. This boggles the mind.&#8221; </p>
<p>It gets worse. The Annan report cites Hurricane Katrina as a<br />
 case study in the economic consequences of climate change.</p>
<p> Yet there&#8217;s not even remotely conclusive evidence that<br />
 temperature increases have any effect on the intensity or<br />
 frequency of hurricanes. The authors also claim that global<br />
 warming is aggravating the El Niño effect, which has<br />
 &#8220;ruined livelihoods, led to lost lives and impaired<br />
 national economies.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yet new research &#8220;questions the notion<br />
that El Niños have been getting stronger because<br />
 of global warming,&#8221; according to Ben Giese of Texas<br />
 A&amp;M. </p>
<p>We could go on, except we&#8217;re worried<br />
 about the blood pressure of readers who are climate-change<br />
 true believers. Our only question is, if the case for global<br />
 warming is so open and shut, why the need for a report as<br />
 disingenuous as Mr. Kofi Annan&#8217;s?</p>
<p>added note:</p>
<p>One interesting reason may be that the worlds finances</p>
<p>revolve around investments. In past years those investments </p>
<p>have been highly profitable.The investments that were once </p>
<p>&#8216;common sense&#8217;, now, due to governmental regulations and taxation,<br />
no longer bring the large returns.</p>
<p>The forced mandates proclaimed by many in Power, to &#8216;Save the World&#8217; are</p>
<p>now the investors dream. The returns are astronomical for those<br />
using this system to their advantage&#8230;.</p>
<p>The consumers and taxpayers, will not be nearly as fortunate..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mid Cretaceous New Mexico? by Calentamiento Global - una marca mas &#124; eSustentable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calentamiento Global - una marca mas &#124; eSustentable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Si, el calentamiento global ha sido secuestrado por los politicos y comercializado por las grandes corporaciones pero al aprender sobre la historia de nuestro planeta, nos vamos dando cuenta que este siempre ha estado cambiando y la realidad es que nuestro clima siempre ha variado no solo con cambios de temperatura pero con grandes altos y bajos en el nivel del mar. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Si, el calentamiento global ha sido secuestrado por los politicos y comercializado por las grandes corporaciones pero al aprender sobre la historia de nuestro planeta, nos vamos dando cuenta que este siempre ha estado cambiando y la realidad es que nuestro clima siempre ha variado no solo con cambios de temperatura pero con grandes altos y bajos en el nivel del mar. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Warm Earth by Stiven at sustainableday.com</title>
		<link>http://cretaceous.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/hello-world/#comment-1</link>
		<dc:creator>Stiven at sustainableday.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stiven Responds; thank you for this perspective…
It seams like the GW phenomena came from nowhere and we know it is consuming the mainstream media and many industries, even design.

It is so frustrating to see so many resources and capital diverged in the name of GW with so much to do in other areas especially in sustainable design.

I will use this info to further my case against the myopic views and actions spurred by the commercialization of GW expressed on this entry http://www.sustainableday.com/?p=44

Edit Comment By: stiven on July 23rd, 2007 
at 4:34 am
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stiven Responds; thank you for this perspective…<br />
It seams like the GW phenomena came from nowhere and we know it is consuming the mainstream media and many industries, even design.</p>
<p>It is so frustrating to see so many resources and capital diverged in the name of GW with so much to do in other areas especially in sustainable design.</p>
<p>I will use this info to further my case against the myopic views and actions spurred by the commercialization of GW expressed on this entry <a href="http://www.sustainableday.com/?p=44" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainableday.com/?p=44</a></p>
<p>Edit Comment By: stiven on July 23rd, 2007<br />
at 4:34 am</p>
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